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		<title>By: Mariana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is *exactly* how I feel about this subject... I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself! I&#039;ve been following your blog for quite some time and I don&#039;t know why I hadn&#039;t seen this before!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is *exactly* how I feel about this subject&#8230; I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself! I&#8217;ve been following your blog for quite some time and I don&#8217;t know why I hadn&#8217;t seen this before!</p>
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		<title>By: LauraKei</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraKei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, Here!!!
Enough with the popping, locking filler and fluff! Bring back The DANCING already!!!
The New Romantic style is Played Out. Let&#039;s have a fresh infusion of something new, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, Here!!!<br />
Enough with the popping, locking filler and fluff! Bring back The DANCING already!!!<br />
The New Romantic style is Played Out. Let&#8217;s have a fresh infusion of something new, please.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this.  I appreciate your honesty and experience.  I am strictly an ATS dancer and teacher, and I think I&#039;m pretty hard on all imitations of classic or modern BD.  
For me, whatever one is doing on stage calling it BD (of any kind), it needs to be beautiful.  Of course, beautiful is reletive, but I think there a very wide range of beautiful that we would all agree on.
Where I live, &#039;theatrical belly dance&#039; is all the rage.  And I feel the community and upcoming students are starting to view belly dance as always being &#039;themed&#039; and not traditional or classical or even modern for that matter.  It&#039;s more acting than it is technique.  I feel this lends to students being more in it for the costuming and getting to perform, than taking the time and having the dedication to truly study one or more styles.
And I do really like all types of fusion costuming, especially the turn of the century look.  I don&#039;t perform in it myself, but can easily see it&#039;s appeal to dancers and audience members.
But the thing is.. is that as an audience member, when you pay money to see something of a low standard no matter what the dancer is wearing, you say, &quot;Oh, that&#039;s belly dance? No, I don&#039;t like that&quot;  
But, how do we keep the standards high for all styles of BD?  There&#039;s no way to do any quality control.  Where would one even start?
I guess for those that have high standards have to do the best we can and try and set outselves a part from those who might be in it for different reasons.
I guess, after all my babbling.  I don&#039;t care what people wear, or what they call it, but I&#039;m happy as long as it&#039;s beautiful, creative, stemmed from hard work, dedication, and a true respect and passion for the dance in all its entirety.  (run on sentence much?)
Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this.  I appreciate your honesty and experience.  I am strictly an ATS dancer and teacher, and I think I&#8217;m pretty hard on all imitations of classic or modern BD.<br />
For me, whatever one is doing on stage calling it BD (of any kind), it needs to be beautiful.  Of course, beautiful is reletive, but I think there a very wide range of beautiful that we would all agree on.<br />
Where I live, &#8216;theatrical belly dance&#8217; is all the rage.  And I feel the community and upcoming students are starting to view belly dance as always being &#8216;themed&#8217; and not traditional or classical or even modern for that matter.  It&#8217;s more acting than it is technique.  I feel this lends to students being more in it for the costuming and getting to perform, than taking the time and having the dedication to truly study one or more styles.<br />
And I do really like all types of fusion costuming, especially the turn of the century look.  I don&#8217;t perform in it myself, but can easily see it&#8217;s appeal to dancers and audience members.<br />
But the thing is.. is that as an audience member, when you pay money to see something of a low standard no matter what the dancer is wearing, you say, &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s belly dance? No, I don&#8217;t like that&#8221;<br />
But, how do we keep the standards high for all styles of BD?  There&#8217;s no way to do any quality control.  Where would one even start?<br />
I guess for those that have high standards have to do the best we can and try and set outselves a part from those who might be in it for different reasons.<br />
I guess, after all my babbling.  I don&#8217;t care what people wear, or what they call it, but I&#8217;m happy as long as it&#8217;s beautiful, creative, stemmed from hard work, dedication, and a true respect and passion for the dance in all its entirety.  (run on sentence much?)<br />
Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Your blog is amazing. I agree with pretty much everything that you&#039;ve said in this blog. 
I would love to know what you think about the origins of ATS belly dance. Honestly, because I&#039;m not sure what the origins are.. I&#039;m 16 and I&#039;ve been dancing for 4 years and i started taking ATS belly dance 2 years ago. Then around last year I learned that Jamila Salimpour was the original creator of &quot;american tribal style&quot; belly dance even though I always thought it was carolena nericchio because every one gives her all the credit... Maybe this is a touchy subject for some dancers but no one has ever explained it to me :/ Perhaps you can enlighten me on this subject? I don&#039;t mean to cause any type of controversy or something like that.  Sorry if these seems odd :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Your blog is amazing. I agree with pretty much everything that you&#8217;ve said in this blog.<br />
I would love to know what you think about the origins of ATS belly dance. Honestly, because I&#8217;m not sure what the origins are.. I&#8217;m 16 and I&#8217;ve been dancing for 4 years and i started taking ATS belly dance 2 years ago. Then around last year I learned that Jamila Salimpour was the original creator of &#8220;american tribal style&#8221; belly dance even though I always thought it was carolena nericchio because every one gives her all the credit&#8230; Maybe this is a touchy subject for some dancers but no one has ever explained it to me :/ Perhaps you can enlighten me on this subject? I don&#8217;t mean to cause any type of controversy or something like that.  Sorry if these seems odd <img src='http://bdpaladin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo again, Asharah. Your thoughtful posts leaves little to really say except &quot;THIS.&quot; Thanks for sharing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo again, Asharah. Your thoughtful posts leaves little to really say except &#8220;THIS.&#8221; Thanks for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff. I have to say, though, that sometimes some of the underwear-like costuming pieces are so over the top and decorated they are to actual underthings like a BD bra is to what women wear everyday. I love a vintage/turn of the (last) century look, but I want to look like a belly dancer, not a saloon girl 

See, this is why we have the Inappropriate Hafla, where everyone can get out their under-as-outwear, whiskey drinking, stumbling, acting, dancing or not dancing, creative prop using, fusing every which way urges in a supportive atmosphere. Let&#039;s just not make every hafla an inappropriate one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. I have to say, though, that sometimes some of the underwear-like costuming pieces are so over the top and decorated they are to actual underthings like a BD bra is to what women wear everyday. I love a vintage/turn of the (last) century look, but I want to look like a belly dancer, not a saloon girl </p>
<p>See, this is why we have the Inappropriate Hafla, where everyone can get out their under-as-outwear, whiskey drinking, stumbling, acting, dancing or not dancing, creative prop using, fusing every which way urges in a supportive atmosphere. Let&#8217;s just not make every hafla an inappropriate one.</p>
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		<title>By: Teejei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teejei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member of a dance company that has a consistent tradition of...well, tradition. Awalim&#039;s firm foundations are in the &quot;Old School&quot;, the precedents set by groups like Bal Anat, Troupe Ghawazee, and others. I also love the New Romantic style, but like any other fusion, it must have the cornerstones of technique, good taste, and professionalism. Thanks for posting this, lady! I look forward to your blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member of a dance company that has a consistent tradition of&#8230;well, tradition. Awalim&#8217;s firm foundations are in the &#8220;Old School&#8221;, the precedents set by groups like Bal Anat, Troupe Ghawazee, and others. I also love the New Romantic style, but like any other fusion, it must have the cornerstones of technique, good taste, and professionalism. Thanks for posting this, lady! I look forward to your blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Callisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Asharah on this one (too...). There is a  huge lot of dancers who skip the dancing part and technical training and go &quot;for the feeling&quot;, sometimes fogetting it still should be a dance performance. I&#039;ve told my students they can do anything, as long as they recognize what it is, call it by its rightful name and give some thought to what audience they&#039;ll have and the context of the performance.  

A problem very similar to the one described here also has hit the gothic fusion scene. Black, black and black, laces, chains,  heavy eyeliner, scary contacts, tons of jewellery, sad or angry looks... They can make a costume and a performance feel more dark and &quot;gothy&quot;, but unless you DANCE it&#039;s not a gothic bellyDANCE performance! 

In some parts of the Swedish bellydance scene a heavily disturbing trend has rooted; technical dancers get put down by those who think &quot;It&#039;s all about FEELING stuff&quot;... I say everything must be there; technique, strength and endurance, AND last but definitely not least presence and emotion of some sort.  To me it appears af if those &quot;technical dancing is bad&quot;-dancers just didn&#039;t bother to practice that much. 

So yes, dance performances should primarily be about... DANCING!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Asharah on this one (too&#8230;). There is a  huge lot of dancers who skip the dancing part and technical training and go &#8220;for the feeling&#8221;, sometimes fogetting it still should be a dance performance. I&#8217;ve told my students they can do anything, as long as they recognize what it is, call it by its rightful name and give some thought to what audience they&#8217;ll have and the context of the performance.  </p>
<p>A problem very similar to the one described here also has hit the gothic fusion scene. Black, black and black, laces, chains,  heavy eyeliner, scary contacts, tons of jewellery, sad or angry looks&#8230; They can make a costume and a performance feel more dark and &#8220;gothy&#8221;, but unless you DANCE it&#8217;s not a gothic bellyDANCE performance! </p>
<p>In some parts of the Swedish bellydance scene a heavily disturbing trend has rooted; technical dancers get put down by those who think &#8220;It&#8217;s all about FEELING stuff&#8221;&#8230; I say everything must be there; technique, strength and endurance, AND last but definitely not least presence and emotion of some sort.  To me it appears af if those &#8220;technical dancing is bad&#8221;-dancers just didn&#8217;t bother to practice that much. </p>
<p>So yes, dance performances should primarily be about&#8230; DANCING!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like there are constantly new trends coming out but this is one that I have noticed, at least in the costuming and musical aspects with the Victorian and circus throwbacks.  I think it&#039;s ok to experiment with different forms of dance, but I do agree, if you aren&#039;t working tribal moves into your dance, don&#039;t bother calling it tribal fusion.  That&#039;s mainly the problem.  There is no definitive source telling dancers what is and isn&#039;t a particular style of dance.  Like I&#039;ve seen you mention before, popping and locking moves don&#039;t constitute a tribal fusion dance.  I don&#039;t think everyone gets that.

Personally, I&#039;m fine with people experimenting, but it really grinds my gears whenever I see anything risque.  Bellydance burlesque in my opinion is the worst combination ever, because I feel like we have been working so hard to get away from the image of a stripper or exotic dancer and that just doesn&#039;t help.

In terms of people who aren&#039;t familiar with bellydance, I think dancers should stick to more classical and ethnic forms of dance.  It just doesn&#039;t seem like the general public would understand some of the fusion styles, simply because they seem &quot;artsy.&quot;  For instance, I would rather have my family&#039;s first impression of one my performances be with something classic so that if they see something more modern later on, they have a basis to compare the two.  Lol, just seems like older people don&#039;t understand the draw of musical genres like industrial, gothic, or hip hop beats.  The troupe I&#039;m with has been told at one venue to mostly only use Middle Eastern music.

If someone can pull off some serious vintage looks, I&#039;m taking more than three centuries ago, I shall be impressed.  Huge history buff here, so I would love to see medieval gear come out!

I feel like I learn so much from you about the different styles of bellydance.  No one really seems to challenge what makes one type different from the other, so it&#039;s good you write out these posts and giving it serious thought.  The bd community needs more of this.

Oleh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like there are constantly new trends coming out but this is one that I have noticed, at least in the costuming and musical aspects with the Victorian and circus throwbacks.  I think it&#8217;s ok to experiment with different forms of dance, but I do agree, if you aren&#8217;t working tribal moves into your dance, don&#8217;t bother calling it tribal fusion.  That&#8217;s mainly the problem.  There is no definitive source telling dancers what is and isn&#8217;t a particular style of dance.  Like I&#8217;ve seen you mention before, popping and locking moves don&#8217;t constitute a tribal fusion dance.  I don&#8217;t think everyone gets that.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m fine with people experimenting, but it really grinds my gears whenever I see anything risque.  Bellydance burlesque in my opinion is the worst combination ever, because I feel like we have been working so hard to get away from the image of a stripper or exotic dancer and that just doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>In terms of people who aren&#8217;t familiar with bellydance, I think dancers should stick to more classical and ethnic forms of dance.  It just doesn&#8217;t seem like the general public would understand some of the fusion styles, simply because they seem &#8220;artsy.&#8221;  For instance, I would rather have my family&#8217;s first impression of one my performances be with something classic so that if they see something more modern later on, they have a basis to compare the two.  Lol, just seems like older people don&#8217;t understand the draw of musical genres like industrial, gothic, or hip hop beats.  The troupe I&#8217;m with has been told at one venue to mostly only use Middle Eastern music.</p>
<p>If someone can pull off some serious vintage looks, I&#8217;m taking more than three centuries ago, I shall be impressed.  Huge history buff here, so I would love to see medieval gear come out!</p>
<p>I feel like I learn so much from you about the different styles of bellydance.  No one really seems to challenge what makes one type different from the other, so it&#8217;s good you write out these posts and giving it serious thought.  The bd community needs more of this.</p>
<p>Oleh!</p>
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		<title>By: Desdemona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desdemona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are a lot of people out there who see something on youtube and just want to copy it without having the firm foundation in bellydance.  For me, I&#039;ve spent a lot of time drilling and fine-tuning my technique and polish and feel it&#039;s important to have that strong base first so it shines through the theatrics.

One thing I discovered as I progressed in my bellydance - taking a lot of workshops, studying with a variety of people, practicing on my own - is that I hate labeling my dancing.  I have an appreciation of where the art comes from: the Middle East, the tribal movement in SF (and my dancing is very much rooted in tribal), the various fusion styles, etc.  I&#039;ve gotten to the point where I just call myself a bellydancer.  If further clarification is needed, I&#039;ll start going into my full background but I don&#039;t want to feel limited by a label nor do I want to give the wrong impression of one of the more specific styles.

On the dancing while &quot;drunk.&quot;  The worst example I saw was a pair of teenage girls as &quot;pirates&quot; stumbling with *shot glasses* of all things.  It was inappropriate and poorly executed.  They then dropped their swords on the ground (deliberately) so that pretty much killed the performance for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are a lot of people out there who see something on youtube and just want to copy it without having the firm foundation in bellydance.  For me, I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time drilling and fine-tuning my technique and polish and feel it&#8217;s important to have that strong base first so it shines through the theatrics.</p>
<p>One thing I discovered as I progressed in my bellydance &#8211; taking a lot of workshops, studying with a variety of people, practicing on my own &#8211; is that I hate labeling my dancing.  I have an appreciation of where the art comes from: the Middle East, the tribal movement in SF (and my dancing is very much rooted in tribal), the various fusion styles, etc.  I&#8217;ve gotten to the point where I just call myself a bellydancer.  If further clarification is needed, I&#8217;ll start going into my full background but I don&#8217;t want to feel limited by a label nor do I want to give the wrong impression of one of the more specific styles.</p>
<p>On the dancing while &#8220;drunk.&#8221;  The worst example I saw was a pair of teenage girls as &#8220;pirates&#8221; stumbling with *shot glasses* of all things.  It was inappropriate and poorly executed.  They then dropped their swords on the ground (deliberately) so that pretty much killed the performance for me.</p>
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