Comments on: Harlan Ellison on working for free. http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/ Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Samira http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-3419 Samira Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:38:31 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-3419 What makes it worse is when it is a professional dancer with years of experience that is doing the undercutting to break into a new market/region. Professionals should know better! What makes it worse is when it is a professional dancer with years of experience that is doing the undercutting to break into a new market/region. Professionals should know better!

]]> By: Manko Eponymous http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Manko Eponymous Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:11:26 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-934 I still have mixed feelings about the mixed messages I see on this issue from dancers. In general I hear a consensus that dancers should always insist on being paid a professional wage, but many seem to feel that they should be able to use whatever music they want for free, often not even crediting the musicians whose work has inspired their dance. I've yet to hear a dancer complain that I was "undercutting" by selling her a piece of costume cheap (or giving it for free) or by providing music cheap or for free. Meanwhile, like so many people, I'm trying to wrap my head around concepts like those presented in Chris Anderson's book "Free: The Future Of A Radical Price." If we want our music free and our websites free, and presumably Harlan Ellison won't get paid for your use of his video, what makes a live performance so categorically different? I still have mixed feelings about the mixed messages I see on this issue from dancers. In general I hear a consensus that dancers should always insist on being paid a professional wage, but many seem to feel that they should be able to use whatever music they want for free, often not even crediting the musicians whose work has inspired their dance. I’ve yet to hear a dancer complain that I was “undercutting” by selling her a piece of costume cheap (or giving it for free) or by providing music cheap or for free.

Meanwhile, like so many people, I’m trying to wrap my head around concepts like those presented in Chris Anderson’s book “Free: The Future Of A Radical Price.” If we want our music free and our websites free, and presumably Harlan Ellison won’t get paid for your use of his video, what makes a live performance so categorically different?

]]> By: Na'la http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-872 Na'la Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:04:34 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-872 "I don't piss without getting paid" Hells to the Yeah. We need to make sure we educate our students about undercutting! Respect to the dancers out there who stick to their guns and respect their community... “I don’t piss without getting paid”

Hells to the Yeah.

We need to make sure we educate our students about undercutting! Respect to the dancers out there who stick to their guns and respect their community…

]]> By: Genevieve C. http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-861 Genevieve C. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:00:57 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-861 This is damn right! And you know what, if dancer would have good established working condition then we might get more professional dancer and an overall better product to attract people in their restaurant. I was horrified when I discovered than some of my friends would do a whole dance night (3 sets) in a restaurant for 90$!!! Holy shit, can you, please, ask more than the waitress, because she don't have an 400$ outfit and 5 year of practice behind?!! Even new unexperienced dancer should consider that! Most of the excuse seem to be that this is part time hobby job on the side. Well, be sure that at this 90$ rate, it will never get more than a damn hobby! Jeez, grown teeth and bite, you won't regret it. gen, from montreal This is damn right! And you know what, if dancer would have good established working condition then we might get more professional dancer and an overall better product to attract people in their restaurant. I was horrified when I discovered than some of my friends would do a whole dance night (3 sets) in a restaurant for 90$!!! Holy shit, can you, please, ask more than the waitress, because she don’t have an 400$ outfit and 5 year of practice behind?!! Even new unexperienced dancer should consider that! Most of the excuse seem to be that this is part time hobby job on the side. Well, be sure that at this 90$ rate, it will never get more than a damn hobby!

Jeez, grown teeth and bite, you won’t regret it.

gen, from montreal

]]> By: Anastazia http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Anastazia Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:14:08 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-860 Say it, Brother Harlan! Say it, Brother Harlan!

]]> By: Jessameena http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Jessameena Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:16:23 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-828 Thank you for posting this. It is all too easy for us to undervalue ourselves, it happens all the time! Thank you for posting this. It is all too easy for us to undervalue ourselves, it happens all the time!

]]> By: Durrah http://bdpaladin.com/2009/06/03/harlan-ellison-on-working-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-821 Durrah Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:42:33 +0000 http://bdpaladin.com/?p=229#comment-821 Right on, brother, right on. Right on, brother, right on.

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